Devils Come in Different shapes

Kamae listened to the shinjin speak, but like his counter part he only saw flaws in the logic of the Shinjin. He had only come to this realm a year ago, which then made Kamae realize or at least in his mind view set the problem. The shinjin had come here as an observer... but now was in the middle of it all. Kamae truly believed this man was either insane... or he was not as smart as the demon had hoped. That was truly a disappointing fact for him to consider when he had put his foes upon a higher pedigree than he original had thought.

"You were once a tree Ward... you came to this realm and dove into the river. Even now you state you will take an active role in the balance of things. That is not an observer, but a protector by the very definition of the word. By setting foot here child... you have become apart of the very thing you wished to keep an eye on. But perhaps you cannot see as far as you wish to see."

Kamae would shake his head as he shrugged, and he was beginning to wonder if mortals had already surprised their creators. It wouldn't be surprising given the time spent. But it did leave Kamae with a sour taste in his mouth. Pity was all he could offer someone who didn't see the very common sense in his words.

"Being apart of balance is different than preventing something from happening. Eventually the Namekian empire must fall, not by my hand mind you nor is that a threat. But in this year you've been in the mortal realm, you've caused more change than you may realize. You have to have shifted this "balance" but what is this balance exactly. Lets get to the root of what you mean."

Kamae looked to the distance a moment as he paced back and forth, rubbing his chin as his smile returned.

"If its the balance of good and evil... does that mean that if the saiyan empire invades for resources or for growth of their empire is that evil? Mortals do it all the time, hence why nations are made and eventually destroyed by their enemies."

Kamae then looked Ward over, serpent eyes very serious as he tried to understand the insanity of this Shinjin. After all, madness was the spark that gave life to new creations.

"So then if I am apart of the balance and you are above me... You said I am apart of nature, part of the balance. But you then state you are like a tree watching the river. What do you consider to be the balance you must keep. Where is the boundaries? The riversides that keep it in check. Is it history flowing as it should? Is it to preserve life in all its forms? Is it to keep good and evil in check? What is good... and what is evil then? Educate me, and I will do my best to be cordial and understanding."

Kamae was not a fool, and had seen many who believed themselves "more' than what they were. A shinjin to kamae was a god, a being who cared little but to watch them squirm. Yet even that notion was not accurate, he understood this. His mindset was broad and his empathy surprisingly deep. But because of that he could also understand the madness that gripped another because he too was insane. Ward to Kamae screamed insanity.

Kamae listened to Ward speak and the more he spoke, the demon felt the Shinjin was following ideals. Similar to one who fights for a nation, because they believe in something or a religion. An intangible thing that was somehow there but not at the same time. Unless the man could demonstrate balance on a scale or a form of measurement then what did any of what he said mean? The demon placed a hand to his chin as he listened to the Shinjin speak, speaking of equilibrium but there was no specifics to the design, no further demonstration beyond his hand and the words he spoke.

"So... where does Namek fall into the "balance". Do they offer something to the universe that gives this "balance" a measurement. If for example, Arcose was destroyed or earth... how would Namek be effected. I understand refugees might effect the population but beyond that what more? If earth suffered a perfectly natural disaster, caused by no one but it simply having a natural phenomenon... Then the earthlings flocked to namek, overpopulating the world... would you begin slaughtering people to keep the "balance" of a world?"

Kamae was trying to pin down this very broad spectrum, to narrow it down to a finite point. To state the universe had balance was one thing but to actually give proof was another. Balance to kamae was like nature, it always evened itself out in the end. Sometimes removing a herbivore and carnivore from an environment simply makes this more simple other times it makes it fall apart. 

"Frankly from my point of view, it sounds like a religion that follows blindly. I mean that in the most polite manner of course. I wish to keep it civil."

Kamae raised a finger as he began to have an idea.

"Religion is used to keep a population in check in most cases. Create a form of uniform belief so as to keep the masses from turning rabid. Most people are like a herd, following the leader without much thought. The leader for a sentient often times utilizes beliefs or ideals to hold the herd together. This "balance" sounds like a force that is unseen, unable to be interacted with, or able to be measured consistently."

Kamae then returned his hand to his chin as he tried to process this all.

"But I wish to hear more. Lets limit it down then, if Plant for example were to fall under tyrannical leadership and it was under your watch... would you intervene for the sake of "balance" to protect the weak? Or would you simply watch as the people suffered doing nothing. The tyrant keeps everything in working order, its just that people are miserable."

Kamae asked, before falling silent and wondering what Ward would say. He was searching for a specific example, a literal form of Balance he could understand. Vague notions only disappointed Kamae, and he disliked blind faith. After all... blind faith is what had let him lead a whole world to giving rise to their worst nightmare. It was for the weak minded who could not see past it all.

Kamae simply smiled as the man admitted he couldn't explain Balance. So it was like a religion, unable to be explained in a manner with facts but rather a vague notion of doing something that fit ones personal beliefs. Somehow or another, this ideal had been seen by Ward and now the shinjin believed it... just like any sentient creature did. But he believed himself above mortals in all aspects, believing he deserved to watch over them as if he was a parent and the mortals children. It sickened Kamae to his core, like staring at a rotting carcass with maggots, Kamae could only find revulsion in Ward's blind belief.

"I see. Very well then, I'll drop the topic."

He wished to say more, but it was pointless at this point. Ward would believe his own lies despite facts being put before him, and the demon had done so numerous times. Now all that was left was left was Ward asking him to further explain himself, to which the demon simply shook his head.

"No."

It was a flat answer, no room for argument or debating on that part. Just as Ward refused to give a satisfying answer, Kamae would deny his guest a satisfying response.

"My business is my own."
 
With that, he turned to start leaving and waving goodbye as he did so.

"Our discussion is over, goodbye mister Ward."

Kamae stated as he gave one final look over his shoulder and smirked.